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PMT 'Dex Discussion: The Tier System

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Dec. 2nd, 2008 | 08:10 am
posted by: holzerhedrpca in pimp_my_team

Alright, time to get into our first in-depth discussion about what tier system we should use. Mainly, this discussion isn't going to be setting up stringent tiers for wholly different metagames since this community stresses that you use your favorites. Therefore, most of the advice given would be for what Smogon would call the "OU tier," and our only major concern would be setting an 00ber tier of our own. Of course, we could set the other tiers too, and we probably will, just for shits, giggles and pokewifitourney Tournaments.

So of course, the most heated discussion will probably arise from who should be in our "00ber Tier." Here's the current Smogon Uber tier, which, from the three people who commented on the original post, is what we're going to base our tier on :)

Smogon Uber Tier
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Deoxys-S
Dialga
Garchomp
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Wobbuffet

Of those, I feel like the following should be in our 00ber Tier without any discussion:

Arceus
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Dialga
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Lugia
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza

All of those Pokémon have base stat sums > 600, which I think is a good start point for any discussion on whether something is an 00ber or not. If anyone has any objections, then feel free to make your case, but it's going to take something really, really persuasive to have any of those guys put in our "OU" tier. The next grouping are guys that could go either way:

Darkrai
Deoxys-S
Manaphy
Mew
Wobbuffet

Mainly, all of them have cases for being OU or being 00ber. Darkrai's base stat total is 600, which is the same as Salamence, Dragonite, Tyranitar and Metagross. Its base SpAtk is 135, which is the same as Sala's base Atk. The problem is that it also has base 125 Speed, which automatically would make it the best special sweeper in OU and thus it would potentially be hard to find a counter for it. Deoxys-S was OU at one point, but it was banished for whatever reason. Other than its speed, its base stats are unremarkable, but its support movepool makes it hard to attack a team that has D-S setting up for it. Manaphy is another base-600 club member. In fact, it has 100s across the board like Jirachi and Celebi, both OU. However, its ability, Hydration, in conjunction with its stats, makes a somewhat lethal combination. Mew is also like Jirachi and Celebi, but it can also learn any move in the game, which might make it a bit broken. Finally, Wobba's base stat total is a paltry 405 and there's only really one moveset you can do with it with its super-limited movepool, but that moveset is fuckin' cheap.

Finally, we have the last group, those that I think should definitely be OU but are in Smogon's Uber tier basically because people have no imagination or because of a hold item:

Garchomp
Latias
Latios

Garchomp is banned because of its YacheChomp set that everyone abuses, and the Lati@s are banned because of Soul Dew. Honestly, I think both reasons are bullshit, but that's just me. For one, Soul Dew was never even officially given out, so you have to hack it to get it (trust me, I hacked mine to get mine! :p).

Garchomp, however, I can see being a much hairier argument. It's really hard to enforce an item ban on one Pokémon if that item is readily available. Plus, it opens the argument of banning all SE-softening berries. If you ban Yache on 'Chomp, then what's to stop Celebi from holding a Tanga Berry? Or Swampert from a Rindo? Also, you can preach about using different movesets all you want, and trust me, I do it all the time, but the sad truth is that most people are sheep, and no matter how much we argue for something, our pleas won't reach those who don't frequent Pokémon websites like Smogon, Serebii or Marriland.

So that's the discussion primer for 00bers. Tomorrow, we'll open up the rest of the tiers.

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Nami

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from: namitheuntamed
date: Dec. 2nd, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
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I think soul dew is actually obtainable in PBR with pokecoupons

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Darkloid_Blues

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from: maverickz3r0
date: Dec. 2nd, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
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The Lati@s duo shouldn't be Uber. If Soul Dew is the problem, we can just disallow Soul Dew, but not many people have access to it so it's a moot point. Garchomp falls to ICe types with or without Yache. Dump them in OU; it's where they belong.

All the middle group belong in Ubers though, especially Mew.

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